How Hot Does It Get In The Hamptons? | Conversations with Jim Zirin

How Hot Does It Get In The Hamptons? | Conversations with Jim Zirin

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♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪>>HI THERE, I’M JIM ZIRIN. WELCOME BACK FOR MORE “CONVERSATIONS.” WITH US IS THE DISTINGUISHED WRITER HOLLY PETERSON, AUTHOR OF SIX BOOKS AND FOUR NOVELS. HER FIRST NOVEL, “THE MANNY,” WRITTEN IN 2007, IS A SATIRE OF THE LIVES OF WEALTHY PEOPLE IN NEW YORK CITY. IT QUICKLY ROSE TO “THE NEW YORK TIMES” BEST SELLER LIST. SHE FOLLOWED “THE MANNY” WITH “IT HAPPENS IN THE HAMPTONS” AND “THE IDEA OF HIM,” ALSO NOVELS OF SOCIAL SATIRE. “THE IDEA OF HIM” IS A LOVE STORY OF A WOMAN WHO IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF SHE IS IN LOVE WITH THE MAN OR JUST THE IDEA OF HIM. HILARIOUS PREMISE! FULL OF IDEAS! HER LATEST, RELEASED THIS SUMMER, HAS THE SEDUCTIVE TITLE OF “IT’S HOT IN THE HAMPTONS.” IT STARTS WITH TWO WOMEN SITTING ON A BENCH IN SAG HARBOR SAYING, “LET’S HAVE AFFAIRS THIS SUMMER.” WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? DO THEY REALLY GO THROUGH WITH IT? THIS IS ONE YOU CAN’T PUT DOWN. A FORMER CONTRIBUTING EDITOR FOR “NEWSWEEK,” EDITOR-AT-LARGE FOR “TALK” MAGAZINE, AND AN EMMY-AWARD WINNING PRODUCER FOR ABC NEWS, HOLLY HAS CONTRIBUTED TO “TOWN & COUNTRY,” “VOGUE,” “HARPER’S BAZAAR,” AND MANY OTHER PUBLICATIONS. SHE IS ALSO CURRENTLY WRITING A WEEKEND COLUMN ON LIFESTYLES FOR “THE LONDON FINANCIAL TIMES.” I AM PLEASED TO WELCOME HOLLY PETERSON TO THIS TABLE.>>THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.>>YOU HAVE WRITTEN FICTION AND NONFICTION. WHICH IS TOUGHER TO DO?>>I ALWAYS SAY FICTION BRINGS YOU CLOSER TO THE TRUTH, BECAUSE AS A JOURNALIST, YOU ARE CONSTRAINED BY INTERVEWS AND WHAT PEOPLE SAY. IF YOU ARE WRITING FICTION, YOU CAN BE AT THE DINNER PARTY, AT THE BOARDROOM TABLE. AS LONG AS YOU’RE WRITING IN A WAY THAT REFLECTS REALITY, WHICH I DO, BECAUSE I’VE BEEN A JOURNALIST FOR 3O YEARS, I FACT CHECK MY NOVELS.>>HOW DO YOU FACT CHECK YOUR NOVELS?>>YOU ARE REFERRING TO HOW MUCH A ROSE COSTS AT THE MARKET ON MADISON AVENUE. YOU HAVE TO CALL. YOU CAN’T MAKE UP ANYTHING. OTHERWISE IT IS NOT AUTHENTIC OR TRUTHFUL. YOU’RE GOING TO LOSE YOUR AUDIENCE. THAT’S WHY SO MANY THINGS ABOUT RICH PEOPLE GET SILLY. PEOPLE IMAGINE THIS NONSENSE THAT IS NOT TRUTHFUL AND IT BECOMES SILLY CARICATURES. I WRITE TRUTHFUL FICTION.>>NOW YOU HAVE WRITTEN TWO NOVELS ABOUT THE HAMPTONS, THAT EMPORIUM OF WEALTH ON THE EASTERN END OF LONG ISLAND WHERE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE CONVENE AND TELL EACH OTHER HOW RICH THEY ARE. WHAT FASCINATES YOU ABOUT THE HAMPTONS?>>A SUMMER COMMUNITY HAS TESTOSTERONE FUELED INEQUALITY IN IT. YOU HAVE A VIBRANT LOCAL COMMUNITY THAT LIVES THERE ALL YEAR LONG.>>TESTOSTERONE FUELED, NOT ESTROGEN FUELED?>>NO. TESTOSTERONE FUELED. THE DIFFERENCE IS SO ENORMOUS AND HYPER CHARGED BETWEEN THE HAVES AND THE HAVE-LESSES. IT IS RIPE FOR PARODY AND SATIRE. YOU HAVE TEACHERS AND ARCHITECTS AND ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE ALL YEAR ROUND. YOU HAVE THE SUMMER PEOPLE THAT COME IN LIKE AN INVADING ARMY, AS YOU KNOW WELL, EXPECTING THE WORLD TO BE HANDED TO THEM ON A PLATTER. TENSION BETWEEN THE LOCALS AND SUMMER COMMUNITY PROVIDES EVERYTHING. TENSION IS THE LIFEBLOOD OF A WRITER. IT CREATES OBNOXIOUS MOMENTS. IT CREATES GREAT SEX SCENES. ARGUMENTS ABOUT MUCH MORE THAN WHAT THEY ARE ARGUING ABOUT. THEY ARE ARGUING ABOUT INEQUALITY AND ENTITLEMENT AND SOMEONE’S CHARACTER AND WHAT YOU EXPECT OF PEOPLE.>>TENSION IS THE LIFEBLOOD OF THE WRITER. HOW DOES THIS PLAY OUT IN YOUR CURRENT BOOK?>>IN MY CURRENT BOOK, I ALWAYS WRITE ABOUT THE WEALTHY BECAUSE — >>THEY WEAR IT BETTER –>>YOU KNOW WHAT, IT’S JUST WHAT I DO. I GREW UP IN NEW YORK. I GREW UP WITH A BANKER DAD IN A RATHER PRIVILEGED SITUATION. IT IS JUST WHAT I KNOW. AND WRITERS WRITE BEST ABOUT WHAT THEY KNOW. THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF AUTHORS AND JOURNALISTS OUT THERE THAT GREW UP THE WAY I DID. I SEE STUFF THAT IS SO OUTRAGEOUS AND OUTLANDISH. I AM ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A GOOD STORY. I FEEL I HAVE TO REPORT ON IT. WHEN I WRITE A NOVEL OR A COLUMN, I DO IT THE SAME WAY. I AM TRYING TO EXPOSE SOMETHING THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS AND INTERESTING AND HILARIOUS AND SAD AND TRAGIC ALL AT ONCE.>>FITZGERALD SAID THE RICH ARE DIFFERENT FROM YOU AND ME. HOW ARE THEY DIFFERENT?>>THEY ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY ARE SO NEUROTIC.>>YOU MEAN A TRUCK DRIVER OR A PLUMBER IS NOT NEUROTIC?>>I BELIEVE WEALTHY PEOPLE OF NEW YORK ARE A PARTICULAR BRAND OF RICH PEOPLE, VERY WORTHY OF SATIRE, WHO ARE UNIQUE IN THEIR SENSE OF NEVER HAVING ENOUGH, TOTAL ENTITLEMENT TO HAVE WHAT THEY WANT WHEN THEY WANT.>>STATUS SEEKING.>>STATUS SEEKING. RELENTLESSLY SEEKING ATTENTION AND RECOGNITION. NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY HAVE. OFTEN NOT VERY ELEGANT ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE IN THE FACE OF OTHERS WHO MIGHT HAVE LESS.>>MANY OF THEM ARE HIGHLY COMPETITIVE WITH ONE ANOTHER ON WALL STREET. THEN THEY GO OUT TO THE HAMPTONS. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO RELAX.>>IT IS EVEN WORSE.>>BUT WHAT HAPPENS OUT THERE? WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM?>>RICH PEOPLE, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THEM LIKE A PACK OF DOGS. THEY SNIFF EACH OTHER OUT, AND THEY WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO KNOW WHO IS THE ALPHA DOG AND WHO IS THE BOSS. THERE ARE VARIOUS WAYS OF DOING THAT THAT ARE NOT THAT SUBTLE. YOU CAN DO IT BY WHAT CAR YOU DRIVE, WHAT HOUSE YOU LIVE IN, HOW MUCH ART YOU PACK IN THE HOUSE. IF PEOPLE DON’T SEE YOU DRIVE AND ARE NOT INVITED OVER TO THE HOUSE, IT HAS TO BE GLIDED INTO CONVERSATION, SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND YOUR WEALTH AND YOUR STATURE AND WHERE YOU COME FROM AND HOW FAR YOU’VE COME AND WHAT YOUR STATION IS. IT IS A BIZARRE THING AMONG RICH NEW YORKERS THAT I LOVE TO LOOK AT AND WRITE ABOUT AND PARODY AND TEASE.>>YOU CERTAINLY DO TEASE. WHAT ABOUT CELEBRITIES IN THE HAMPTONS, ZUCKERBERG, SPIELBERG, WOULD I RUN INTO THEM ON THE BEACH, LYING ON THE BEACH LIKE BEACH WHALES?>>HOLLYWOOD CELEBRITY IS DIFFERENT. YOU HAVE MADONNA IN THE HAMPTONS. YOU HAVE JAY-Z.>>JAY-Z IS MY NAMESAKE.>>EXACTLY AND SO MUCH LIKE YOU. YOU HAVE RENÉE ZELLWEGER, I’VE SEEN HER IN A BAR A FEW TIMES. I THINK HOLLYWOOD NEUROSES AND HOLLYWOOD NEED FOR AFFECTION AND RECOGNITION IS SOMEWHAT THE SAME, BUT THAT IS DIFFERENT. HOLLYWOOD NEEDING TO ACT AND APPLAUSE, IT IS THE SAME TYPE OF THING, BUT A VERY DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE. DIFFERENT SOCIAL MORES AND BEHAVIORAL PATTERNS IF I’M SPEAKING AS AN ANTHROPOLOGIST.>>IS THE MATING THAT TAKES PLACE IN IN THE HAMPTONS — I MEAN, OR COUPLING UP — SUPPOSE A MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE RAN INTO RENÉE ZELLWEGER AT THE BAR, WOULD HE GO OVER THERE AND SAY I AM WORTH $1 BILLION, CAN I BUY YOU A DRINK?>>HE PROBABLY WOULD NOT SAY I AM WORTH $1 BILLION. HE WOULD START TALKING ABOUT HIS PILOT.>>OF HIS PRIVATE PLANE.>>YES. WHEN ANYONE STARTS TALKING ABOUT THEIR PILOT, WHAT THEY’RE REALLY SAYING IS I SPENT $80,000 ON A ROUND-TRIP AIRFARE INSTEAD OF $600. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. WHEN THEY START NAME DROPPING THEIR PILOT OR SAYING WHEELS UP, WHICH IS LINGO FOR TAKEOFF TIME, THEY ONLY HAVE ONE GOAL IN MIND. THEY KNOW YOU DON’T CARE ABOUT THEIR PILOT. THEY JUST ARE TRYING TO GET THE PERSON TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE SUPER-LOADED.>>I THINK YOU WROTE ABOUT SOME GUY THAT WAS COMPLAINING HIS PILOT DID NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE A GOOD SANDWICH.>>EXACTLY.>>WHAT WOULD RENÉE ZELLWEGER THINK IF I WERE TO TELL HER MY PILOT DOESN’T KNOW HOW TO MAKE A GOOD SANDWICH?>>WOMEN ARE PRETTY TURNED OFF BY IT. I DO THIS COLUMN FOR THE FINANCIAL TIMES. WE DECIDED TO CALL IT WHEELS UP FOR THAT PURPOSE. IT IS ABOUT WEALTHY PEOPLE, HOW THEY LIVE, HOW THEY LOVE EXCESS, HOW THEY MISBEHAVE, AND THE PSYCHOSIS OF SUCCESS AND MONEY AND POWER AND HOW THAT ALL INTERSECTS AND WORKS. WITHOUT CALLING IT WHEELS UP WOULD BE APT BECAUSE IT IS REALLY GOING ALOFT WITH THESE PEOPLE.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT “IT’S HOT IN THE HAMPTONS.” IS IT HOT IN THE HAMPTONS?>>IT IS ALWAYS HOT IN THE HAMPTONS.>>YOU MEAN SEXY?>>YES.>>SEXY?>>ABSOLUTELY! SEX SELLS. TRYING TO SELL BOOKS.>>YOU WROTE THIS STORYLINE. TELL US MORE ABOUT IT. TWO WOMEN SITTING ON A BENCH AND –>>LET ME EXPLAIN A FEW THINGS TO YOU.>>TWO WHITE GIRLS SITTING AROUND TALKING?>>WHEN I WRITE A BOOK, I TAKE IT LIKE A COVER STORY TO A MAGAZINE. I HAVE A THEME THAT I BELIEVE IS FRESH AND NEEDS TO BE EXPOSED OR EXAMINED IN SOME WAY. I DON’T JUST SAY LET ME DO A STORY ABOUT A BOY MEETS A GIRL OR WHATEVER ALL THAT STUFF IS. I SAY THERE IS THIS THING GOING ON IN SOCIETY, AND I CAN FICTIONALIZE THIS THING AND SAY A LOT ABOUT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN 2019 IN WAYS THAT I THINK AND HOPE PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN. WHEN I WROTE “HOT IN THE HAMPTONS,” I REALLY WANTED TO WRITE ABOUT WOMEN, SEXUALITY, AND THE MADONNA/WHORE COMPLEX.>>WHAT IS THE MADONNA/WHORE COMPLEX?>>IT SOMETHING MEN DO WHEN THEY LOOK AT WOMEN. AND SOME WOMEN.>>NOT ALL MEN?>>NOT ALL MEN AND NOT ALL WOMEN. BUT MEN IN GENERAL OR SOME MEN OR A LOT OF MEN FEEL THAT WHEN A WOMAN IS VERY SEXUALIZED, IT IS EASIER TO LABEL HER AS SLUTTY, OVER-THE-TOP, DANGEROUS, SOMETIMES DERANGED IN A WAY. THIS IS WHY WOMEN GET PUNISHED FOR ADULTERY AND FOR BEING SEXUAL IN A LOT OF COUNTRIES AND CERTAINLY IN OUR COUNTRY’S PAST.>>CERTAINLY IN LITERATURE.>>ANNA KARENINA JUMPS ON THE TRAIN TRACKS. MADAM BOVARY GUZZLES ARSENIC.>>SHE ATE ARSENIC.>>WELL, WHATEVER. YOU’RE SO FUNNY. [LAUGHTER]>>WOMEN GET PUNISHED FOR BEING SEXUALIZED.>>– BIG LETTER A.>>THEY ARE ALL STIGMATIZED WOMEN. HERE ARE YOUR TWO WOMEN.>>I DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT. I WANTED TO WRITE WOMEN CHARACTERS WHO ARE MOTHERS WHO WERE SEXUAL AND MARRIED OUTSIDE OF THEIR MARRIAGE. I CANNOT THINK OF A MOVIE OR BOOK THAT HAS EXAMINED THAT DEEPLY.>>THESE WOMEN ARE IN THEIR 40s. YOU HAVE SAID THAT IS A DANGEROUS TIME. I THINK A GRANDMOTHER OF ONE THE WOMEN SAYS IT IS A DANGEROUS –>>YOU’VE READ MY BOOK VERY CAREFULLY. YOU ARE A VERY GOOD JOURNALIST. I APPRECIATE THAT.>>I AM NOT A GOOD JOURNALIST, I THOUGHT I WAS GETTING READY FOR A SEX SCENE.>>GOING BACK TO THE THESIS. PEOPLE LOOK AT WOMEN AS MADONNAS OR WHORES. AS WOMEN WHO ARE MOTHERS, WHO ARE “GOOD” WOMEN, CAPABLE OF IMMACULATE CONCEPTION OR HIGHLY SEXUALIZED. IT IS SELDOM THAT YOU TAKE A MOTHER WHO IS A GOOD MOTHER THAT IS PORTRAITED IN LITERATURE OR FILM AS ALSO HAVING A HOT AFFAIR ON THE SIDE AND OK, STILL A GOOD MOTHER AND STILL A GOOD WIFE. MEN DO THAT ALL THE TIME. MEN HAVE AFFAIRS AND THEY ARE SEEN AS BAD BOYS AND VIRILE. YOU KNOW, THEY’RE SO BAD WHEN THEY GO TO VEGAS.>>YOU THINK THERE IS A DOUBLE STANDARD.>>I THINK THERE IS ABSOLUTELY A DOUBLE STANDARD. MORE INTERESTING THAN A DOUBLE STANDARD IS THAT HOW DO WE LOOK AT WOMEN WHO ACT ON THIS THE WAY MEN DO? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WOMEN? WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR RELATIONSHIPS? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE HUSBANDS THAT FIND OUT? WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM THEMSELVES IN TERMS OF BEATING THEMSELVES UP OR BEING ANGRY AT THEMSELVES OR FEELING ASHAMED? WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR SENSE OF LIBERTY TO DO EXACTLY WHAT THEIR HUSBANDS ARE DOING? WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN WHEN YOU ARE A GOOD MOM AND A GOOD WIFE AND YOU STRAY? I MADE IT THAT BOTH OF THESE WOMEN STRAYS BECAUSE THEIR HUSBANDS STRAYED. I AM NOT PRO AFFAIR BUT –>>YOU ARE AFFAIR NEUTRAL.>>I DON’T THINK AFFAIRS ARE GREAT THINGS IN ANY CASE, BUT IF THE HUSBANDS ARE DOING IT I WANT TO GIVE THE READER A REASON TO SAY, OKAY, MAYBE IT’S FAIR THAT THEY DO THAT.>>YOU SAID YOU DO FACT CHECKING. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY SITUATION IN REALITY WHERE TWO WOMEN SAT ON A BENCH IN SAG HARBOR AND SAID LET’S HAVE AFFAIRS THIS SUMMER?>>I AM NOT, BUT I CAN IMAGINE THAT, RIGHT? THAT’S WHY FICTION IS FUN. IT’S PLAUSIBLE. THAT IS WHY FICTION, IN THE END, THOUGH LONELY AND DIFFICULT, IN MANY WAYS MORE FUN THAN JOURNALISM. BECAUSE YOU GET TO IMAGINE THESE THINGS AND PLAY OUT, IN MY CASE, EXTREMELY REALISTICALLY AND FACTUALLY AS BEST I CAN. SO, THAT’S WHY I WROTE THIS BOOK. I BELIEVE WE LIVE IN A WORLD THAT IS NOT TERRIBLY COMFORTABLE WITH WOMEN’S SEXUAL AGENCY.>>WHAT IS SEXUAL AGENCY?>>THAT MEANS A WOMAN DECIDING WHETHER SHE IS MARRIED OR NOT MARRIED, WHETHER SHE IS IN A RELATIONSHIP OR NOT, YOUNG OR OLD, DECIDING THIS IS WHAT I WANT SEXUALLY IN MY LIFE AND THIS IS WHAT I AM GOING TO DO TO GET IT. I THINK THAT IS A GOOD THING FOR A MAN OR A WOMAN.>>TO BE IN CHARGE OF THEIR OWN SEXUALITY. PRETTY BASIC.>>PRETTY BASIC. IT IS BASIC TO HAVE HER IN CHARGE AND NOT TO HAVE A MAN OR ANOTHER WOMAN SAYING THIS IS THE WAY IT IS GOING TO BE. I AM GOING TO TELL YOU TO DO THIS IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR JOB. THIS IS HOW I LIKE SEX. THIS IS THE WAY WE’RE GOING TO DO IT, BECAUSE I’M THE GUY, I’M STRONGER. A MILLION REASONS WOMEN ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN CONTROL OF THE WAY THEIR SEX LIVES PLAY OUT.>>CAROLYN AND ANNABELLE, THE TWO CHARACTERS, AND THE PRINCIPAL ONE IS CAROLYN. THEY BOTH HAVE AFFAIRS?>>THEY DO.>>WHAT HAPPENS? DON’T GIVE IT AWAY.>>I’M NOT GOING TO GIVE IT AWAY. THEY DO IT, AND THEY QUESTION THEMSELVES. THEY TRY TO COVER UP THEIR TRACKS. IT ALLOWS THEM BOTH TO HAVE A CLEAR LOOK ON WHAT THEIR HUSBANDS HAVE DONE ALL ALONG AND WHAT THEY THINK OF THEIR HUSBANDS AND DO THEY WANT TO STAY WITH THEIR HUSBANDS? IT OPENS UP A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES ABOUT NEW AVENUES FOR THEIR LIVES AND WAYS TO FIND A WEIRD SENSE OF PARITY WITH THEIR HUSBANDS, WHICH MEANS A WEIRD SENSE OF EQUALITY. I AM NOT PRO DOING THIS, BUT I WANTED TO WRITE A BOOK ABOUT THIS.>>DO YOU THINK IT IS POSSIBLE IN A MARRIAGE TO HAVE AN AFFAIR AND KEEP THE MARRIAGE TOGETHER?>>I DON’T THINK IT IS VERY EASY. I THINK THE SCAR TISSUE IS SO IMMENSE THAT IT IS REALLY HARD FOR THE OTHER PERSON NOT TO BRING IT UP EVERY OTHER MEAL OR EVERY OTHER COCKTAIL SITUATION. I THINK IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET OVER. IT’S NOT NECESSARILY WITHOUT REASON THAT PEOPLE — THAT IT DESTROYS RELATIONSHIPS AND COMPLICATES THINGS. THAT’S WHY I’M NOT FOR IT. I DON’T THINK IT’S EASY TO DO.>>EVEN IF IT HAPPENS IN THE HAMPTONS?>>EVEN IF IT HAPPENS IN THE HAMPTONS. THE HAMPTONS IS A FUN ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH TO WRITE. IT IS A TESTOSTERONE FUELED SUMMER COMMUNITY. YOU HAVE THEM ALL CLASHING WITH EACH OTHER WITH THE SAME FORCE AS THE ATLANTIC WAVES BEFORE THEM. LIKE CURRENTS IN THE OCEAN, IT GETS SUPER MESSY. THE RICH GUY WHO IS TRYING TO BE DOWN TO EARTH BECAUSE HE GREW UP WITH NOTHING AND HANG OUT WITH HIS CONTRACTOR, INVITES HIM FOR A DRINK. HE DOES NOT TREAT HIM WELL. HE GETS CHEAP ON THE BEER. HE WANTS TO GO AFTER THE DRINK AND NOT STAY FOR DINNER. HE BRINGS UP A SHELF THAT HE SCREWED UP ON JUST TO SHOW THE POWER. IT IS NOT EASY FOR PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT INCOMES TO SOCIALIZE WITH EACH OTHER OR WORK WITH EACH OTHER.>>SO, YOU ARE A FEMINIST?>>I AM A VERY RADICAL FEMINIST.>>WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE YOUR BOOKS AS RADICAL FEMINIST BOOKS?>>YEAH. I BELIEVE WOMEN SHOULD DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IN LIFE THE WAY THEY WANT TO DO IT. THEY SHOULD HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT. THEY SHOULD FIND SITUATION, AND WE SHOULD ALL CREATE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE THERE IS EQUALITY BETWEEN PEOPLE. THE REASON ALL OF THIS IS INTERESTING IS BECAUSE IT BRINGS UP GREATER ISSUES ABOUT SOCIETY. THERE IS INEQUALITY THAT IS GETTING SO MASSIVE. IS THAT A GOOD THING? IT IS NOT GOOD FOR ANYONE.>>YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC INEQUALITY AND INEQUALITY IN THE WORKPLACE.>>I DON’T BELIEVE ANY OF IT IS GOOD. I DON’T BELIEVE ANY OF IT HELPS EVEN THE PEOPLE AT THE TOP. IF THERE IS MASSIVE INEQUALITY AND YOU ARE AT THE TOP, YOU ARE LIVING IN A MUCH MORE FRAGILE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT. IT IS HARDER FOR YOU TO DO BUSINESS. IF YOU ARE IN AN OFFICE, AND YOU HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF PERSON WORKING IN ALL THE ECHELONS OF POWER, YOU ARE GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE. SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHERE YOU ARE INSENSITIVE TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE, AND YOU ARE GOING TO GET PILLORIED IN THE PRESS, OR YOU ARE GOING TO IGNORE A MARKET BECAUSE YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO RECOGNIZE SOMETHING YOU HAVE THAT CAN HELP ANOTHER MARKET THAT IS BEFORE YOUR NOSE BECAUSE YOU DON’T HAVE THAT OTHER MARKET AS YOUR DIRECTOR OF RETAIL OR WHATEVER. BEING INCLUSIVE, I BELIEVE, MAKES THE CIRCLE STRONGER AS CORNY AS THAT SOUNDS. IF YOU THINK OF SOCIETY AS A CIRCLE OF PEOPLE HOLDING HANDS, IF THERE ARE WEAKLINGS, THE WHOLE THING DOES NOT WORK AS WELL. IF PEOPLE AROUND IT ARE COMFORTABLE AND HAVE AGENCY AND CAN CONTROL A LOT OF ASPECTS OF THEIR LIVES AND GET WHAT THEY WANT, MAYBE IT’S JUST A HOUSE, NOT A PLANE, BUT CAN DO THAT, EVERYTHING WORKS BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.>>THE STRONG LINKS THE WOMEN, THE WEAKLINGS THE MEN?>>NO! MEN CAN BE STRONG TOO. I’M NOT ANTI-MEN. NO REAL FEMINIST IS ANTI-MEN. I DON’T BELIEVE.>>LET’S GO BACK TO WOMEN IN THEIR 40s. WOMEN ON THE VERGE. IS THERE A VACCINE TO PREVENT THEM FROM MAKING SOME FATAL MISTAKE? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM?>>IT IS THE SAME THING AS MEN IN THEIR 40s. PEOPLE IN THEIR 40’S REEVALUATE A BIT. THAT CAN CAUSE DANGEROUS SITUATIONS. IN YOUR TEENS, YOU ARE A BIG HOT MESS. IN YOUR 20s, YOU ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO YOU ARE AND ESTABLISH YOURSELF AND FIND A MATE. IN YOUR 30s, YOU ARE SINKING YOUR TEETH INTO YOUR JOB AND YOUR MARRIAGE AND YOUR KIDS, YOU ARE TOO TIRED TO THINK ABOUT IF ANY OF THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA. YOU HIT 40, AND YOU SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, MY WIFE OR HUSBAND BORES ME TO TEARS. I HATE MY JOB. I AM GOING NOWHERE. IT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF BREATHING ROOM AND PERSPECTIVE FROM WHICH TO SAY, MY GOODNESS, I WANT TO CHANGE THINGS. WHEN THAT HAPPENS CAUSES DANGEROUS SITUATIONS. IT CAN BE SEX. IT CAN BE LEAVING YOUR JOB. IT CAN BE SLEEPING WITH THE YOGA TEACHER. FOR A LOT OF MEN FOR SOME REASON IT SEEMS TO HAPPEN A LOT. IT CAN BE ALL KINDS OF THINGS. I THINK IT IS MUTUAL. I THINK WOMEN IN THEIR 40s ARE DONE WITH THE KID THING. IT IS A SPECIAL BRAND OF WANTING PERSPECTIVE.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS OF WRITING. HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO PRODUCE THIS WONDERFUL BOOK?>>MY FIRST BOOK I WROTE IN SIX MONTHS AT NIGHT WITH A FULL-TIME JOB IN MY 30s HAVING KIDS. HOW I DID THAT, I HAVE NO IDEA. I JUST WANTED TO WRITE ABOUT A MALE NANNY ON PARK AVENUE. IT PUKED OUT OF ME IN SIX MONTHS.>>RECIPE FOR BESTSELLER. LET IT PUKE OUT OF YOU.>>MY SECOND BOOK I WORKED ON FOR THREE YEARS WITH NO JOB AND WAS AN IMMENSE STRUGGLE. THIRD BOOK WAS A YEAR AND FOURTH BOOK WAS ABOUT A YEAR. TAKES ME ABOUT A YEAR. I GET UP AT ABOUT 4:00 A.M. AND MAKE TEA AND BANANA AND PEANUT BUTTER HORS D’OEUVRES.>>I WOULD LIKE TO TASTE THEM.>>THEY ARE EXCELLENT. I WRITE FOR THREE HOURS WITH A CANDLE BURNING. I TURN OFF THE EMAIL AND THE INTERNET. THE HOUSE IS ASLEEP. THE KIDS ARE ASLEEP. THE DOGS ARE ASLEEP. I GET THREE HOURS OF EXCELLENT WORK COMPLETED WITH THE WORLD NOT BOTHERING ME.>>YOU ARE BANGING THIS OUT ON THE COMPUTER.>>I BANG IT OUT ON THE COMPUTER. I GO TO THE LIBRARY FOR ANOTHER THREE HOURS LATER IN THE DAY. THERE IS A GREAT PROGRAM WHERE YOU CAN TURN OFF THE INTERNET.>>TURN OFF THE INTERNET?>>YOU CAN TURN IT OFF ON YOUR COMPUTER. YOU SET IT BY TIME. I GO TO QUIET PLACES AND TURN OFF THE INTERNET. I DON’T WRITE WHEN I AM SUPER FRAZZLED. IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK.>>DO YOU DO FACT CHECKING ON THE INTERNET?>>I HAVE TO. I DO THAT LATER. JOURNALISM, THERE IS TK, WHICH MEANS, THE FACTS WILL COME LATER. I PUT THAT ALL OVER MY FICTION MANUSCRIPTS. I WILL FIGURE OUT WHO WAS PRESENT OR HOW MUCH A PRIVATE PLANE TO HONG KONG IS.>>ARE YOU WORKING ON ANOTHER BOOK?>>I AM GOING TO DO ANOTHER BOOK ON THE ART WORLD.>>SEX IN THE ART WORLD?>>DEFINITELY.>>SEX IN THE ART WORLD AND THE HAMPTONS?>>PROBABLY IN THE HAMPTONS. MY PUBLISHER LIKES ME TO STAY IN THE HAMPTONS.>>IF IT WORKS. THAT IS MARVELOUS. THERE IS AN ART WORLD COMPONENT IN THE HAMPTONS.>>THERE ARE A LOT OF GREAT ARTISTS THAT LIVE THERE, POLLOCK AND ALL THESE PEOPLE. THE ART WORLD IS ANOTHER MICROCOSM THROUGH WHICH TO VIEW THE FRENZY IN WHICH WE LIVE THESE DAYS. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THE THING FIRST, KNOW THE THING FIRST. RUSHING AFTER SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU SAW IT ON INSTAGRAM. YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW IF YOU LIKE IT. YOU JUST WANT IT. THE DESIRE AMONG THE WEALTHY TO EXPOSE THEIR WEALTH AND SHOW THEIR CULTURE.>>CONSPICUOUS CONSUMPTION.>>INTERESTING THEMES. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH MY DAUGHTER THIS MORNING, WHO IS APPLYING TO COLLEGES, AND I EXPLAINED TO HER, THE MOST INTERESTING PERSON OFTEN DOESN’T WIN IN THE END. THE GREATEST ARTISTS DON’T GET RECOGNIZED. THE GREATEST WRITERS DON’T GET RECOGNIZED VERY OFTEN. BESTSELLERS AND HOT ARTISTS AND BLOCKBUSTER MOVIES ARE NOT THE GREATEST PIECES OF CULTURE.>>SOME OF THEM ARE RECOGNIZED.>>SOME OF THEM ARE, OBVIOUSLY.>>I HAVE A –>>THANK GOD.>>I HAVE A –>>IT WOULD BE THE END OF SOCIETY.>>I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.>>I’M LISTENING.>>WHAT GOES INTO SOMEONE BEING A GOOD WRITER?>>I THINK I’M A GOOD WRITER. I DON’T THINK I’M A GREAT WRITER. I’M NOT A LITERARY WRITER. I AM GOOD AT DEPICTING WHAT THE SCENE IS AN USING CONCISE, SHORT SENTENCES TO SAY IT AS IT IS AND NOT TO BE SCARED TO SAY IT. YOU HAVE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT YOUR AUDIENCE AND ARE YOU BORING THEM? IS THIS WORTHY OF THEIR INTEREST?>>THE KEY IS TO THINK ABOUT YOUR AUDIENCE.>>THAT’S THE KIND OF WHAT I DO. I TRY TO ENTERTAIN. I TRY TO KEEP THE PAGES TURNING.>>THANK YOU. TUNE IN NEXT WEEK FOR MORE CONVERSATIONS. DON’T FORGET TO CATCH MY BOOK, PLAINTIFF IN CHIEF, A PORTRAIT OF DONALD TRUMP AND 3500 LAWSUITS. TAKE CARE AND ALL THE BEST. I AM JIM ZIRIN. ♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪

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